The Kochs Told Me Global Warming is a Hoax

I recently stumbled across a website called BREAKING ALL THE RULES . It was immediately apparent that it was stridently Libertarian, but the writing was pretty good so I signed up for their weekly newsletter.

The first issue was interesting until I got to the part about their being climate change deniers, and, since I consider those people several sandwiches short of a picnic, I immediately cancelled my email subscription and let them know it was because they excoriated Obama (certainly reasonable) while saying nothing negative about the Bush Crime Family and their lawless escapades.

This is the exchange that followed. BATR’s responses are in bold.

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What is inaccurate is your assessment. Have you read any of the BATR archive essays during the Bush administration?

You will not find anything positive said about W. As you know, the Newsletter is based upon a weekly theme on current topics.

Review the View from the Mount, Strappado Wrack and Global Gulag articles for Bush essay.

Use the search function to find them.

SARTRE

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Thanks for the redirection, although the bit about Global Warming being a hoax is kind of a deal breaker for me, despite whatever you’ve got to say about Dim Son.

Americans areGlobal warming-global_warming_by_captain_planet the only people who have yet to accept the fact that we’ve managed to heat our own petri dish, pee in our own pool. If you pump heat into a closed system for more than a hundred years, regardless of its size, it gets hotter. It ain’t rocket science.

America is home to many of the major energy conglomerates, all of whom have a vested interest in maintaining our dependence on non-renewables. They and their business buddies also control most of the media in this country, and many, many Americans are television zombies who believe anything they see on the glass teat.

Is it a coincidence that America is the ONLY industrialized nation who that doesn’t believe in Climate Change but does believe in angels? I seriously doubt it.

Intelligent people from other nations view Americans as being idiots for not taking note of the aberrant weather patterns we’ve been experiencing for the past couple of decades, and I share their viewpoint.

I will, however, check out what you have to say about the Bush criminals, as promised. Thanks again for the quick response.

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Christopher,

Well, you will not like this response. Been involved with the “Green Party” and the Sierra local and regional chapter. Have turned around the “true believers” who were sucked into thinking that industrial wind factories are RENEWABLE. First Wind (who was just sold in a scam deal to a solar public company) collects gov’t subsidies while claiming to produce electricity that is NOT delivered to the grid and is NOT provided to end users. That is FRAUD.

The Global Warming argument has become silly. The temperatures are hitting all time lows and the “Cultists” refuse to accept

that the planet is going into an ice age cycle. Those who want to argue that cooling is ALSO is attributive to CO2 are lacking rational perspective.

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Hello, plants make oxygen from CO2, but that is not important to them since they are already having a low oxygen level to their brain.

Here is the point. I’m on lots of lefty and green groups and read many of their posts. When they are correct, (like anti-war foreign policy) there is common ground. Even Senator Warren’s position on Wall Street is correct, but she refuses to audit the Federal Reserve.

If you only read those who AGREE with you, how can you test if your own positions are true?

Sorry Chris, your outlook argues that the threat from Artificial Intelligence will center on the whacko environmentalists anti-intellectualism first. Gee there is an upside to AI after all.

SARTRE

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Dear Jean-Paul,

I enjoy disagreements with people who see things differently than I do, as long as they don’t immediately jump to ad hominem attacks whenever they encounter a fact they don’t like, which has often been my experience with Right Wingers and Libertarians, sadly. But, as you noted, I don’t learn anything by agreeing with the choir, so here we are.

Let me take your arguments one at a time.

With regard to the Bush criminals, my apologies for not delving further into your site. We do seem to agree that Bush was no Thomas Jefferson, although your approach is considerably farther right than mine. That said, there is so much material to comb through I’d be lying if I said I truly understand where you’re coming from. Maybe I can give you a more honest assessment after I’ve read ten or twenty more articles.

ConcerniPolar Bearng wind power (and renewables in general), I googled “First Wind Energy not delivered to consumers?” and immediately found “Renewable EnergyNot Cheap, Not “Green” – Cato Institute”. It seemed like a good place to start: a well-researched, meticulously documented article which focuses almost exclusively on why renewables are bad for business. Since Cato is funded by the Kochs, that’s not a surprise, but what amazed me (in addition to the degree to which the rhetoric was tilted to the right) was how environmental concerns were given a clear backseat to economic ones. If we humans succeed in destroying our living space, which seems likely, all talk of the expense and impracticality of renewables is moot, because we’ll all be dead. I realize the Kochs regard humanity the way you and I regard our most recent bowel movement, but the disparity in emphasis was still striking.

My wife and I have been donating 8% or so of our monthly electric bill toward financing the eventual construction of wind farms in New England. We understood from the get-go that we wouldn’t be reaping any sort of benefit from our donation for years to come, but our kids would. I’m not sure how this constitutes fraud, since we went into it with the full understanding that there would be no immediate benefit. And as far as alternative energy startups receiving a government subsidy goes, good. I’d rather have my tax dollars spent on trying to wean ourselves from the oil titty than on building more drones so Middle Eastern children can be liberated into bloody chunks.

If I may digress for a moment, I consider it a privilege to be living in America, a stroke of good fortune for which I can take absolutely NO credit whatsoever, and I therefore consider paying taxes similar to paying rent. Taxes don’t bother me at all; I’m happy to pay my fair share. I just wish I had access to something like a line item veto so I could redirect those taxes to infrastructure and fire departments and schools instead of our corporate-owned military, but until we figure out a way to remove sock-puppet politicians, that’s just not realistic.

With regard to our being in an “Ice Age Cycle”, I agree. We are. The Earth will be cooling for the next 20,000 years or so, but I doubt seriously whether humans or any other lifeStewart Hoax form will last that long. We’ve been pumping heat into our biosphere at a MUCH faster rate than Mother Nature can compensate for, which is why 2014 was the hottest year in recorded history. 2012 (or 2010, depending on which stats you’re citing) was the hottest before that. I’m not sure where you get your data with regard to temperatures hitting “all-time lows”, but I suspect whoever gave you that info was referring to weather, not climate. Right now, I’m freezing my ass off. Big picture, Earth is getting warmer, despite localized low temperatures.

Some proof:

http://www.noaanews.noaa.gov/stories2013/20130806_stateoftheclimate.html

http://www.nasa.gov/sites/default/files/files/NOAA_NASA_2013_Global_Temperatures_Joint_Briefing.pdf

The scientists responsible for those studies, despite your somewhat insulting reference to the “low oxygen level” in their brains, and even though they’re not shills for Big Oil, seem like they have a rational perspective.

I suspect you disagree.

We do, however, agree on many things: war is evil, Israel is a scumbag country, the Bush criminals should be indicted, tried, and convicted of war crimes, etc. I hope we can continue this discussion, despite our differences. My gut tells me we have more in common than not.

p.s. – Why the pseudonym? And are you a collective, or is only one person responsible for all that writing?

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I’m a Christian existentialist and a paleo-conservative populist in the tradition of Pat Buchanan. SARTRE was selected to attack lefty commies to read the free market economy articles written for BATR. I write all articles and select the content of third party links.

If you want the America First message, BREAKING ALL THE RULES is a primary source.

Best to put the kool aide climate change absurdity aside.

After you read more of our articles, visit Cohocton Wind Watch http://cohoctonwindwatch.blogspot.com/  and  Citizen Power Alliance http://www.citizenpowerallianceblog.blogspot.com/

If I had to guess, you live in Vermont and have friends who went to Middlebury. 

Many friends in New England who has fought the industrial wind factories for over a decade. 

If you want factual reality from your neighbors start with http://www.windaction.org/

SARTRE

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JP,

Hitler ChristianI’m a human being who thinks entrenched political and religious viewpoints are damaging to the human spirit and the world.

And you are what I feared you were. If I don’t agree with you, I’m an absurd idiot, or something like that. So sad, since you are clearly intelligent and write well. I was truly looking forward to a spirited debate, but that obviously can’t happen, since you have no interest in any point of view other than your own. You address NONE of my arguments, but merely dismiss and insult them.

I certainly don’t have all the answers, but at least I’m not arrogant enough to presume that other people’s perspectives are inherently flawed because they don’t align with mine. And I certainly don’t need to be “tutored” by an individual as clearly narrow-minded as yourself.

The sheer size of the body of work you have amassed over the years is impressive, and, as I promised, I will spend some time on your site and read as many articles as I can before they become thoroughly redundant, as I suspect they will.

There are many good, intelligent, people in the world who vehemently disagree with your POV, Jean Paul. You have only one part of the entire truth; don’t ignore them because you’ve convinced yourself you see the whole picture. You don’t.

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Have no idea how you conclude what you did.  Provided links to research. If you are looking for a debate, jump on a forum. My time is directed at providing a message that you can review, ponder and decide if correct. 

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Clicked links. Did further research. All three links are to organizations that advocate for the fossil fuel industry, directly or indirectly.

Lisa Linowes (a beard for the energy industry at http://www.windaction.org/ – ed.) cites sources that have either been discredited or are linked to the Kochs.

Your time is directed at providing Right Wing propaganda.

I respectfully suggest that you are kidding yourself if you think you are being in any way objective.

But I am grateful that you provided me with my next blog entry.

Peace.

 

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